Episode 6 (Minisode): What’s inside Kay Montano’s makeup bag?



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Kay Montano, makeup artist extraordinaire, creative director and co-founder of inclusive beauty platform ThandieKay. She gave us the scoop on how her first ever copy of Vogue magazine captivated her teenage mind, how a chance meeting with an 80s band front woman led her to work with fashion’s finest, and how working with megastar musician Prince on a shoot directed by actress Salma Hayek tops her list of impactful projects with the super gifted (and not the famous-for-fame’s-sake, thank you very much).

Kay speaks about grounding yourself to recognise what matters in life, reveals how she’s worked freelance for her entire career, talks partnership between herself and actress Thandie Newton, close friend an co-conspirator in shaking up the beauty world with a more inclusive narrative, and makes an exclusive product announcement about upcoming goodies from the ThandieKay brand.

In this minisode, we discuss the contents of Kay’s makeup bag (and our makeup bags as well)!

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kay Montano – ThandieKay (Website) and @KayMontano & @ThandieandKay on Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

Special shout-out to Janet’s List members Flora and Curl for Kay’s goody-bag in the previous episode. To find out more about its founder Rose Ovensehi, her wonderful story and this sweet-smelling natural hair product line, visit our website.

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 6: Conversations with Kay Montano, make up artist extraordinaire, creative director & founder of Thandie Kay



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Kay Montano, makeup artist extraordinaire, creative director and co-founder of inclusive beauty platform ThandieKay. She gave us the scoop on how her first ever copy of Vogue magazine captivated her teenage mind, how a chance meeting with an 80s band front woman led her to work with fashion’s finest, and how working with megastar musician Prince on a shoot directed by actress Salma Hayek tops her list of impactful projects with the super gifted (and not the famous-for-fame’s-sake, thank you very much).

Kay speaks about grounding yourself to recognise what matters in life, reveals how she’s worked freelance for her entire career, talks partnership between herself and actress Thandie Newton, close friend an co-conspirator in shaking up the beauty world with a more inclusive narrative, and makes an exclusive product announcement about upcoming goodies from the ThandieKay brand. And check out our minisode for a peek inside our makeup bags…

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • How Kay made bold career moves as a teenager (4:16)
  • Give and take – an alternative perspective on internships and getting the vital experience you need (7:47)
  • Cabs, champagne and clubs! (9:05)
  • The importance of creating an aspirational portfolio to boost your profile (9:52)
  • Working with agents who are truly excited about your work (10:34)
  • What Kay looks for in a makeup assistant (13:45)
  • Stay in your lane – the unwritten hierarchy of high end fashion shoots (16.16)
  • True legends – talent over fame, and working with Prince (18:27)
  • Repurposing your skillset – how to leverage market changes to your advantage (24.19)
  • ThandieKay – dissecting race and heritage, managing egos in business partnerships and writing the narrative of the indefinable woman (33.25)
  • Product alert from ThandieKay and an exclusive announcement (40.50)
  • Who Kay would love to hear next on the show (42.27)

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kay Montano – ThandieKay (Website) and @KayMontano & @ThandieandKay on Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

Special shout-out to Janet’s List members Flora and Curl for Kay’s goody-bag in this episode. To find out more about its founder Rose Ovensehi, her wonderful story and this sweet-smelling natural hair product line, visit our website.

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 5 (Minisode): We chat with Josephine Otuagomah, Founder of The Black Hair Book and we discuss our worst black hairdresser experiences (and Janet’s favourite hairdresser).



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Josephine Otuagomah, the founder of The Black Hair Book. It is an online directory that helps you to discover the best Afro hair salons in London. We discussed the idea and how this came about, how she researched the idea, what she did to set it up.
In this minisode, we had a fun chat where we discussed some of our worst black-hairdresser experiences (yes relaxers/perms get a mention).  Janet also discusses her favourite hairdresser.  Have you had any absurd/insane black hairdresser experiences?  Tweet us at @JanetsList. If you love your Afro hair hairdresser, tell us about them as well!
If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:
Black Hair Book: (Website) and (Instagram)
Janet’s List: @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)
Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)
Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)
The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.
Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.


Episode 5: Josephine Otuagomah, Founder of The Black Hair Book, discusses setting up her business, what its like to be on a pre-accelerator programme and her financial planning



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Josephine Otuagomah, the founder of The Black Hair Book. It is an online directory that helps you to discover the best Afro hair salons in London. We discussed the idea and how this came about, how she researched the idea, what she did to set it up.  She also discussed her experience of being on the Fast Forward pre-accelerator programme.
Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:
  • What the Black Hair Book is and why it exists (1:45)
  • The first steps she took to bring her idea to life (2:45)
  • Do women in the beauty industry have to pay a beauty ‘tax’? (4:39)
  • The one thing she knows now that she wished she knew when she started (7:18)
  • Her experience of being on the Fast Forward pre-accelerator programme and the power of networking (8:56)
  • Educating potential investors about the need for the business (12:28)
  • We discuss money – bootstrapping her business, how much she’s invested in the business and her revenue streams (19:13)
  • Her favourite brand on Janet’s List – find out which brand it is here (26:38).
If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:
Black Hair Book: (Website) and (Instagram)
Janet’s List: @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)
Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)
Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)
The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.
Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.


Episode 4: Tania Diggory, Founder of Calmer – mental health & well-being for entrepreneurs including a discussion on anxiety, depression and burnout.



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

It is Mental Health Awareness Week in the UK and we were delighted to have Tania Diggory on the podcast.  She is the founder of Calmer as well as being an NLP practitioner and mental health trainer.

In the podcast, she describes how she set up her businesses, how she subsequently dealt with burnout, anxiety and depression as a business owner, how her experiences led her to set up Calmer (a platform which supports creative entrepreneurs on their start up journey and helps them manage anxiety and uncertainty.  We also discussed her book ‘This is Calmer’ (look out for a free giveaway soon).

As always we discussed money and how she planned financially for both her businesses and dealt with money challenges.

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Tania DiggoryCalmer (Website) and her Twitter / Instagram 

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter).

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: @GlobalStyleServices (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.


Ep 3 (Minisode): – Siobhan Kangataran, Founder of ToGetHer Further discusses the practicalities of building and maintaining a membership community



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Siobhan Kangataran, Coach and Founder of ToGetHer Further, membership community and Facebook support platform. In part 1 of our podcast she describes how she redefined her career while creating a safe space online for other working women. In part 2 of our podcast (this episode) she revealed the practicalities of building, launching and running a membership community, how to monetise it in a way that makes sense for the business model and how to overcome fear of competition by recognising the ongoing need for new networks.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Letting creative energy manifest – birthing her blog and the inception of her
    business (1:05)
  • Clarifying the niche – understanding what’s different about what you have to
    offer and recognising the need for your own personal voice (2:44)
  • Keeping tabs on membership sharing – encouraging promotion in an
    authentic voice (4:58)
  • Working out how and when to monetise and membership community (7:00)
  • Automating your content posts for ease (8:49)
  • Utilising project management tool Asana to prepare yourself for delegating to
    a team 10:22

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Siobhan Kangataran – ToGetHer Further (Website) and Facebook community and Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter).

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: @GlobalStyleServices (Instagram)

We mentioned Janet Mock’s books: Redefining Realness and Surpassing Certainty 

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.