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Episode 1 (part two): Kelechi Okafor on building her brand, her studio business & her revenue streams.



Welcome to Season 2!  If you love what we are doing, please sponsor us on Patreon! 

Making Money Moves is  brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had an epic chat with Kelechi Okafor (are you ready for the receipts?): pole dancing instructor, studio owner, actress, public speaker, letter writer extraordinaire and a baby girl. 

In part two Kelechi lays out her journey from teaching pole dancing classes to establishing her very own studios in North and South London. Kelechi speaks about overcoming small thinking with the support of her partner, maximising the potential of her first studio and making a profit while keeping prices accessible, and raising her profile through features in Time Out, BBC Three’s Twerking Through Trauma and a Gal Dem live event at the V&A.

Kelechi speaks about the safe space she’s created in her classes where women feel comfortable enough to take their wigs off to get down, as well as the importance of sensuality and eroticism for maintaining a form of sexiness that hold humanity at its core.

Make sure you also catch our minisode where Kelechi break’s down the benefits of crowd-funding.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Its interesting how dedicated we are to being small’ [4.17]
  • Finding a location for her studio and working out costs [6:45]
  • Using social media, video and geo-tagging and other tips and tricks to drive business [7:05]
  • Using wedding funds as a start-up budget? A partner who supports your dreams [9:05]
  • The myths around interracial relationships, and the man Kelechi does not hide [11:28]!
  • Breaking and even and making profit in the first few months while pricing inclusively [13:00] 
  • Business branding, and deliberate presentation of a sexiness that retains humanity [22:34]. 
  • Focusing on the clients experience as a marketing tool – giving the audience images of themselves to attract them to your services [26:20]
  • Counting Kelechi’s revenue streams [27:23]
  • Negotiating your pricing – recognising your worth and seeing the bigger picture invoicing as a love letter to yourself [29;32]
  • Investing in a signature feature for your brand [36:08]
  • 42.00 – Janet’s List spotlight – Jim & Henry, A Life More Inspired and Equi Botanics 

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kelechi – @Kelechnekoff (Twitter) & (Instagram)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 1 – Kelechi Okafor talks to us about acting, podcasting, her dream role, appearing on BBC Special Forces and being a baby girl!



Welcome to Season 2!  If you love what we are doing, please sponsor us on Patreon! 

Making Money Moves is  brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had an epic chat with Kelechi Okafor (are you ready for the receipts?): pole dancing instructor, studio owner, actress, public speaker, letter writer extraordinaire and a baby girl. In part one Kelechi speaks about her experiences as a black actress in the UK; from highlighting stereotypical casting calls to handling micro aggressions on reality TV, Kelechi unpacks the dynamics at play behind the scenes – leaping every hurdle thrown at her on BBC’s ‘Special Forces’, grabbing an opportunity to work in artist management in Atlanta and revealing her dream role to play lead role in a Serena Williams biopic. Kelechi walks us through the bold moves she’s made in creating her own path, championing the importance of building a strong foundation and framework of support in the people working at her level.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Speaking your truth and finding your voice [3:20]
  • Dealing with typecasting [5:40]
  • Plan b: subsidising an acting career [7:18] 
  • Artist management in Atlanta (in search of Ciara) [13:15] 
  • Appearing on BBC show Special Forces in South Africa, conquering fears and prioritising self care in the absence of group support [14.47] 
  • Kelechi’s dream role – Serena Williams [22:40] 
  • Moving with the people at your level – the people that make you strong are the people around you [25:07] 
  • Writing letters, carve our spaces and exist in them without apology [26:55] 
  • Fan Girl moment – special shout-out to Njoki [35:08]
  • Live podcasting – the fun of thinking on your feet [26:41] 

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kelechi – @Kelechnekoff Twitter

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 10: Jeanette Young, founder of Jeanette Young London, talks to us about her role as stylist of the Kingdom Choir at the Royal Wedding



Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved talking to Jeanette Young, expert personal stylist; garment technologist and creator of fashion label Jeanette Young London. Starting out crafting a bespoke wardrobe for her Barbie dolls as a little girl, Jeanette breezed through her fashion degree with flying colours and has carved out a niche for herself boasting bold designs that mix simple lines with a dramatic twist. Jeanette talks to us about how working for the best of the high street retailers helped her to build a list of go-to contacts, how being in the right place at the right time has paid off, and the importance of combining fashion design with commercial practises to make the most of every pound. Jeanette speaks to us about her input in Beyonce’s Ivy Park collection, how Paloma Faith fell in love with one of her signature dresses, and walks us through the exhilarating story of styling the Kingdom Choir for the Royal Wedding.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • 3.10 – designing clothes that don’t wear the person – the dress Paloma Faith saw and loved
  • 4.48 – learning about the whole fashion business to provide scope for multiple career paths 
  • 5.50 – garment technology 101 – learning the production process in a nutshell 
  • 6.33 – an input into Beyonce’s Ivy Park collection 
  • 7.22 – the advantage of working for retailers in building your production contact book 
  • 9.07 – making the move to freelance fashion consultancy and dictating your pay
  • 9.51 – networking for launching a new business, and declaring a minimal budget 
  • 12.02 – The Janet’s List Jeanette Yong London Hotlist 
  • 12.49 – cost effective design – commercial design and fashion design combined 
  • 13.45 – the importance of getting it right the first time to minimize costs
  • 14.36 – maximizing the return on surprise bestselling items
  • 15.38 – being your own customer profile  
  • 16.10 – Jeanette’s celebrity styling wish list
  • 16.42 – styling the Kingdom Choir for the Royal Wedding
  • 24.11 – designing a dress fit for purpose and catering to a dress-size outside the mainstream
  • 26.50 – millionaire revenue streams 
  • 28.46 – saving for a new business  
  • 29.28 – managing cashflow, getting an accountant and new freelance rules around tax
  • 30.38 – the best place to invest a fashion seed-fund 
  • 31.31 – Jeanette’s Janet’s list pick – Sheer Chemistry
  • 21.31 – Who Jeanette would like to hear next on the show – Marcia Dixon and Moiso London

Jeanette Young London – @JY_London Twitter 

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 9: Tahlia Gray, Founder of Sheer Chemistry discusses her hosiery business and getting her tights on the Kingdom Choir at the Royal Wedding.



Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Tahlia Gray, Founder of hosiery brand Sheer Chemistry, specialising in shades for women of colour. While working abroad in New York, the shock discovery that the cosmopolitan city didn’t have skin colour tights available for sale in her skin tone, Tahlia walks us through how the absence of an essential product led her to fill this gap in the market while representing and empowering black women in a way unique to the approach of other brands. Tahlia tells us how her love for travel paired with her business studies background empowered her to create her ideal brand, details intricacies of the manufacturing process and let’s us in on some bootstrapping hacks that helped her shave pounds off her marketing campaign.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Finding a name that represents the brand’s ethos (5:36)
  • Hanging out at makeup counters and using makeup foundation tones for inspiration, doing the research and budgeting for minimum orders (6:18)
  • Establishing contracts when dealing with manufacturers overseas, bridging the business-practise gaps and calling it a day when values don’t align (10:15)
  • ‘Wood and food?’ – flouting stereotypes to frame women of colour in a positive light (10:54)
  • How the W Hotel collaboration came about (14:19)
  • Getting Sheer Chemistry tights on the Kingdom Choir at the Royal Wedding (17:31)
  • Cash injection, the Virgin Startup loan process and the impact of the mentorship included (19:33)
  • Money well spent – the costs of a photoshoot and some bootstrap tips for saving costs marketing, packaging design and the importance of quality imagery (21:44)
  • Making the most of pop-ups, choosing a prime position and rough costs of showcasing your wares (23:16)
  • Tahlia’s Janet’s List spotlight – Colour Shot Cards (28:10)
  • Who Tahlia would like to hear next on the show (28:44)

Sheer Chemistry – @SheerChemistry Twitter

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 8 (Minisode): Strategic competitive intelligence and diversity in tech with Suki Fuller – tips on getting into a tech incubator



***Vote for us to win ‘Podcast of The Year’ in the Precious Lifestyle Awards. It will only take you ten seconds: http://bit.ly/VoteMakingMoneyMoves2 *** 

Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Suki Fuller, a ‘Top 30 Tech Influencer’ and a competitive intelligence analyst. From wanting to be James Bond and Indiana Jones as a young girl, Suki tells us how her outside-the-box thinking shone through in her formative years – she was profiled as the first first potential millionaire whilst pursing her degree. Suki also discusses teaching in China while still studying her MBA. She was open about being fired and what her next strategic move was.  Suki tells us how she’s used her unique differences to her advantage as leveraging her global network by making face to face connections in a digital world.  Most of all, she is a champion of diversity and equality in the tech, as well as being a mentor to women in tech.

In this minisode, we hone in the difference between tech incubators and tech accelerators, we discuss what makes a company an attractive proposition,

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Suki Fuller – @SukiFuller (Twitter)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 8: Strategic competitive intelligence and diversity in tech with Suki Fuller



***Vote for us to win ‘Podcast of The Year’ in the Precious Lifestyle Awards. It will only take you ten seconds: http://bit.ly/VoteMakingMoneyMoves2 *** 

Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Suki Fuller, a ‘Top 30 Tech Influencer’ and a competitive intelligence analyst. From wanting to be James Bond and Indiana Jones as a young girl, Suki tells us how her outside-the-box thinking shone through in her formative years – she was profiled as the first first potential millionaire whilst pursing her degree. Suki also discusses teaching in China while still studying her MBA. She was open about being fired and what her next strategic move was.  Suki tells us how she’s used her unique differences to her advantage as leveraging her global network by making face to face connections in a digital world.  Most of all, she is a champion of diversity and equality in the tech, as well as being a mentor to women in tech.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Competitive intelligence 101 – what it is and how it can revolutionise a business
  • The global nature of the intelligence industry (11:50)
  • Being recognised as a Top 30 Change-maker in UK Tech (14:54)
  • ‘Real Gs move in silence’ – power plays behind the scenes (shout out to our fave Luvvie Ajayi!) (15:17)
  • Tackling gender equality and pay gap with Tech London advocates – making moves as a women in tech mentor, and the importance of vocal and proactive white male allies (16.03)
  • Self promotion is key – increasing your visibility to widen your reach (17:58)
  • Time to step up – finding moments of clarity in the midst of personal loss (19:18)
  • Don’t compare yourself to others – Embracing your ‘otherness’ when pricing your product (22.00)
  • Shifting focus – highlighting the impact of your work when self-promoting on socials to overcome self conscious stage fright (26.20)
  • Business reads: – Build an A-Team by Whitney Johnson
  • Janet’s List brand spotlight: HANX

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Suki Fuller – @SukiFuller (Twitter)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps