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Episode 1 (part two): Kelechi Okafor on building her brand, her studio business & her revenue streams.



Welcome to Season 2!  If you love what we are doing, please sponsor us on Patreon! 

Making Money Moves is  brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had an epic chat with Kelechi Okafor (are you ready for the receipts?): pole dancing instructor, studio owner, actress, public speaker, letter writer extraordinaire and a baby girl. 

In part two Kelechi lays out her journey from teaching pole dancing classes to establishing her very own studios in North and South London. Kelechi speaks about overcoming small thinking with the support of her partner, maximising the potential of her first studio and making a profit while keeping prices accessible, and raising her profile through features in Time Out, BBC Three’s Twerking Through Trauma and a Gal Dem live event at the V&A.

Kelechi speaks about the safe space she’s created in her classes where women feel comfortable enough to take their wigs off to get down, as well as the importance of sensuality and eroticism for maintaining a form of sexiness that hold humanity at its core.

Make sure you also catch our minisode where Kelechi break’s down the benefits of crowd-funding.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Its interesting how dedicated we are to being small’ [4.17]
  • Finding a location for her studio and working out costs [6:45]
  • Using social media, video and geo-tagging and other tips and tricks to drive business [7:05]
  • Using wedding funds as a start-up budget? A partner who supports your dreams [9:05]
  • The myths around interracial relationships, and the man Kelechi does not hide [11:28]!
  • Breaking and even and making profit in the first few months while pricing inclusively [13:00] 
  • Business branding, and deliberate presentation of a sexiness that retains humanity [22:34]. 
  • Focusing on the clients experience as a marketing tool – giving the audience images of themselves to attract them to your services [26:20]
  • Counting Kelechi’s revenue streams [27:23]
  • Negotiating your pricing – recognising your worth and seeing the bigger picture invoicing as a love letter to yourself [29;32]
  • Investing in a signature feature for your brand [36:08]
  • 42.00 – Janet’s List spotlight – Jim & Henry, A Life More Inspired and Equi Botanics 

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kelechi – @Kelechnekoff (Twitter) & (Instagram)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 6 (Minisode): What’s inside Kay Montano’s makeup bag?



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Kay Montano, makeup artist extraordinaire, creative director and co-founder of inclusive beauty platform ThandieKay. She gave us the scoop on how her first ever copy of Vogue magazine captivated her teenage mind, how a chance meeting with an 80s band front woman led her to work with fashion’s finest, and how working with megastar musician Prince on a shoot directed by actress Salma Hayek tops her list of impactful projects with the super gifted (and not the famous-for-fame’s-sake, thank you very much).

Kay speaks about grounding yourself to recognise what matters in life, reveals how she’s worked freelance for her entire career, talks partnership between herself and actress Thandie Newton, close friend an co-conspirator in shaking up the beauty world with a more inclusive narrative, and makes an exclusive product announcement about upcoming goodies from the ThandieKay brand.

In this minisode, we discuss the contents of Kay’s makeup bag (and our makeup bags as well)!

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kay Montano – ThandieKay (Website) and @KayMontano & @ThandieandKay on Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

Special shout-out to Janet’s List members Flora and Curl for Kay’s goody-bag in the previous episode. To find out more about its founder Rose Ovensehi, her wonderful story and this sweet-smelling natural hair product line, visit our website.

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 6: Conversations with Kay Montano, make up artist extraordinaire, creative director & founder of Thandie Kay



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Kay Montano, makeup artist extraordinaire, creative director and co-founder of inclusive beauty platform ThandieKay. She gave us the scoop on how her first ever copy of Vogue magazine captivated her teenage mind, how a chance meeting with an 80s band front woman led her to work with fashion’s finest, and how working with megastar musician Prince on a shoot directed by actress Salma Hayek tops her list of impactful projects with the super gifted (and not the famous-for-fame’s-sake, thank you very much).

Kay speaks about grounding yourself to recognise what matters in life, reveals how she’s worked freelance for her entire career, talks partnership between herself and actress Thandie Newton, close friend an co-conspirator in shaking up the beauty world with a more inclusive narrative, and makes an exclusive product announcement about upcoming goodies from the ThandieKay brand. And check out our minisode for a peek inside our makeup bags…

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • How Kay made bold career moves as a teenager (4:16)
  • Give and take – an alternative perspective on internships and getting the vital experience you need (7:47)
  • Cabs, champagne and clubs! (9:05)
  • The importance of creating an aspirational portfolio to boost your profile (9:52)
  • Working with agents who are truly excited about your work (10:34)
  • What Kay looks for in a makeup assistant (13:45)
  • Stay in your lane – the unwritten hierarchy of high end fashion shoots (16.16)
  • True legends – talent over fame, and working with Prince (18:27)
  • Repurposing your skillset – how to leverage market changes to your advantage (24.19)
  • ThandieKay – dissecting race and heritage, managing egos in business partnerships and writing the narrative of the indefinable woman (33.25)
  • Product alert from ThandieKay and an exclusive announcement (40.50)
  • Who Kay would love to hear next on the show (42.27)

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kay Montano – ThandieKay (Website) and @KayMontano & @ThandieandKay on Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

Special shout-out to Janet’s List members Flora and Curl for Kay’s goody-bag in this episode. To find out more about its founder Rose Ovensehi, her wonderful story and this sweet-smelling natural hair product line, visit our website.

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 5: Josephine Otuagomah, Founder of The Black Hair Book, discusses setting up her business, what its like to be on a pre-accelerator programme and her financial planning



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Josephine Otuagomah, the founder of The Black Hair Book. It is an online directory that helps you to discover the best Afro hair salons in London. We discussed the idea and how this came about, how she researched the idea, what she did to set it up.  She also discussed her experience of being on the Fast Forward pre-accelerator programme.
Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:
  • What the Black Hair Book is and why it exists (1:45)
  • The first steps she took to bring her idea to life (2:45)
  • Do women in the beauty industry have to pay a beauty ‘tax’? (4:39)
  • The one thing she knows now that she wished she knew when she started (7:18)
  • Her experience of being on the Fast Forward pre-accelerator programme and the power of networking (8:56)
  • Educating potential investors about the need for the business (12:28)
  • We discuss money – bootstrapping her business, how much she’s invested in the business and her revenue streams (19:13)
  • Her favourite brand on Janet’s List – find out which brand it is here (26:38).
If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:
Black Hair Book: (Website) and (Instagram)
Janet’s List: @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)
Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)
Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)
The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.
Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.


Episode 4: Tania Diggory, Founder of Calmer – mental health & well-being for entrepreneurs including a discussion on anxiety, depression and burnout.



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

It is Mental Health Awareness Week in the UK and we were delighted to have Tania Diggory on the podcast.  She is the founder of Calmer as well as being an NLP practitioner and mental health trainer.

In the podcast, she describes how she set up her businesses, how she subsequently dealt with burnout, anxiety and depression as a business owner, how her experiences led her to set up Calmer (a platform which supports creative entrepreneurs on their start up journey and helps them manage anxiety and uncertainty.  We also discussed her book ‘This is Calmer’ (look out for a free giveaway soon).

As always we discussed money and how she planned financially for both her businesses and dealt with money challenges.

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Tania DiggoryCalmer (Website) and her Twitter / Instagram 

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter).

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: @GlobalStyleServices (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.


Ep 1: Harriet Minter and Collette Philip – Working with a business coach, leaving the corporate world to start your business & how to make sure you get paid.



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Harriet Minter and Collette Philip. Harriet is a journalist, broadcaster, coach and co-host of the Badass Women’s Hour. She also writes a column for Psychologies Magazine.  Collette Philip is the Founder of Brand by Me.
In this conversation they discussed their transition from the corporate world to running their own businesses, how they planned for that financially, the money targets they set themselves and their revenue streams. In addition, they also discuss business coaching (Harriet is Collette’s business coach), how the relationship came about and Collette explores why she decided to work with Harriet and the impact coaching has had on her business.  We talked for so long that we created a mini-sode which will follow this episode.
If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:
Harriet Minter – Newsletter and Instagram
Collette Philip – Website/Blog and Twitter
Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Insta) and @JanetsList (Twitter)
Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)
Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)
The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.
Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps.