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Episode 1 – Kelechi Okafor talks to us about acting, podcasting, her dream role, appearing on BBC Special Forces and being a baby girl!



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Making Money Moves is  brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had an epic chat with Kelechi Okafor (are you ready for the receipts?): pole dancing instructor, studio owner, actress, public speaker, letter writer extraordinaire and a baby girl. In part one Kelechi speaks about her experiences as a black actress in the UK; from highlighting stereotypical casting calls to handling micro aggressions on reality TV, Kelechi unpacks the dynamics at play behind the scenes – leaping every hurdle thrown at her on BBC’s ‘Special Forces’, grabbing an opportunity to work in artist management in Atlanta and revealing her dream role to play lead role in a Serena Williams biopic. Kelechi walks us through the bold moves she’s made in creating her own path, championing the importance of building a strong foundation and framework of support in the people working at her level.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Speaking your truth and finding your voice [3:20]
  • Dealing with typecasting [5:40]
  • Plan b: subsidising an acting career [7:18] 
  • Artist management in Atlanta (in search of Ciara) [13:15] 
  • Appearing on BBC show Special Forces in South Africa, conquering fears and prioritising self care in the absence of group support [14.47] 
  • Kelechi’s dream role – Serena Williams [22:40] 
  • Moving with the people at your level – the people that make you strong are the people around you [25:07] 
  • Writing letters, carve our spaces and exist in them without apology [26:55] 
  • Fan Girl moment – special shout-out to Njoki [35:08]
  • Live podcasting – the fun of thinking on your feet [26:41] 

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kelechi – @Kelechnekoff Twitter

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 9: Tahlia Gray, Founder of Sheer Chemistry discusses her hosiery business and getting her tights on the Kingdom Choir at the Royal Wedding.



Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Tahlia Gray, Founder of hosiery brand Sheer Chemistry, specialising in shades for women of colour. While working abroad in New York, the shock discovery that the cosmopolitan city didn’t have skin colour tights available for sale in her skin tone, Tahlia walks us through how the absence of an essential product led her to fill this gap in the market while representing and empowering black women in a way unique to the approach of other brands. Tahlia tells us how her love for travel paired with her business studies background empowered her to create her ideal brand, details intricacies of the manufacturing process and let’s us in on some bootstrapping hacks that helped her shave pounds off her marketing campaign.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Finding a name that represents the brand’s ethos (5:36)
  • Hanging out at makeup counters and using makeup foundation tones for inspiration, doing the research and budgeting for minimum orders (6:18)
  • Establishing contracts when dealing with manufacturers overseas, bridging the business-practise gaps and calling it a day when values don’t align (10:15)
  • ‘Wood and food?’ – flouting stereotypes to frame women of colour in a positive light (10:54)
  • How the W Hotel collaboration came about (14:19)
  • Getting Sheer Chemistry tights on the Kingdom Choir at the Royal Wedding (17:31)
  • Cash injection, the Virgin Startup loan process and the impact of the mentorship included (19:33)
  • Money well spent – the costs of a photoshoot and some bootstrap tips for saving costs marketing, packaging design and the importance of quality imagery (21:44)
  • Making the most of pop-ups, choosing a prime position and rough costs of showcasing your wares (23:16)
  • Tahlia’s Janet’s List spotlight – Colour Shot Cards (28:10)
  • Who Tahlia would like to hear next on the show (28:44)

Sheer Chemistry – @SheerChemistry Twitter

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 8 (Minisode): Strategic competitive intelligence and diversity in tech with Suki Fuller – tips on getting into a tech incubator



***Vote for us to win ‘Podcast of The Year’ in the Precious Lifestyle Awards. It will only take you ten seconds: http://bit.ly/VoteMakingMoneyMoves2 *** 

Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Suki Fuller, a ‘Top 30 Tech Influencer’ and a competitive intelligence analyst. From wanting to be James Bond and Indiana Jones as a young girl, Suki tells us how her outside-the-box thinking shone through in her formative years – she was profiled as the first first potential millionaire whilst pursing her degree. Suki also discusses teaching in China while still studying her MBA. She was open about being fired and what her next strategic move was.  Suki tells us how she’s used her unique differences to her advantage as leveraging her global network by making face to face connections in a digital world.  Most of all, she is a champion of diversity and equality in the tech, as well as being a mentor to women in tech.

In this minisode, we hone in the difference between tech incubators and tech accelerators, we discuss what makes a company an attractive proposition,

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Suki Fuller – @SukiFuller (Twitter)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 8: Strategic competitive intelligence and diversity in tech with Suki Fuller



***Vote for us to win ‘Podcast of The Year’ in the Precious Lifestyle Awards. It will only take you ten seconds: http://bit.ly/VoteMakingMoneyMoves2 *** 

Making Money Moves is a new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mind-set, and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We had a brilliant chat with Suki Fuller, a ‘Top 30 Tech Influencer’ and a competitive intelligence analyst. From wanting to be James Bond and Indiana Jones as a young girl, Suki tells us how her outside-the-box thinking shone through in her formative years – she was profiled as the first first potential millionaire whilst pursing her degree. Suki also discusses teaching in China while still studying her MBA. She was open about being fired and what her next strategic move was.  Suki tells us how she’s used her unique differences to her advantage as leveraging her global network by making face to face connections in a digital world.  Most of all, she is a champion of diversity and equality in the tech, as well as being a mentor to women in tech.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Competitive intelligence 101 – what it is and how it can revolutionise a business
  • The global nature of the intelligence industry (11:50)
  • Being recognised as a Top 30 Change-maker in UK Tech (14:54)
  • ‘Real Gs move in silence’ – power plays behind the scenes (shout out to our fave Luvvie Ajayi!) (15:17)
  • Tackling gender equality and pay gap with Tech London advocates – making moves as a women in tech mentor, and the importance of vocal and proactive white male allies (16.03)
  • Self promotion is key – increasing your visibility to widen your reach (17:58)
  • Time to step up – finding moments of clarity in the midst of personal loss (19:18)
  • Don’t compare yourself to others – Embracing your ‘otherness’ when pricing your product (22.00)
  • Shifting focus – highlighting the impact of your work when self-promoting on socials to overcome self conscious stage fright (26.20)
  • Business reads: – Build an A-Team by Whitney Johnson
  • Janet’s List brand spotlight: HANX

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Suki Fuller – @SukiFuller (Twitter)

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 7: Starting and sustaining a food business – Chef Tokunbo Koiki of Tokunbo’s Kitchen



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses. If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • Market research to kick-start your business idea (7:06)
  • Lessons learnt from a launch – writing a list of what did and didn’t work and not beating yourself up about the gaps in your knowledge (11:54)
  • Asako, Ajo, Pardoner, Sacco – or group savings between friends and family to help generate your business seed fund – (15:03)
  • Rough cost estimates for launching a food truck business (15:50)
  • Don’t reinvent the wheel – looking at the competition for new ideas (20:47)
  • Accessing the expertise within your networks to help form realistic business budgets (23:03)
  • Putting systems in place to save you working harder at the last minute (23:50)
  • Getting help – accessing free business support and coaching from local resources (24:25)
  • Securing and running a hotel kitchen residency (29:17)
  • Big Apple, Big Lessons – the invaluable experience of running a food pop-up in New York (30:25)
  • Best business outgoings, and the value of investing in PR (40:04)
  • Essential spending – why investing in photography matters (41:25)
  • Pounding John Boyega’s yam… (44:18)
  • Janet’s List Spotlight: A Life More Inspired (46:11)
  • Who Tokunbo would love to hear next on the show: Jessica Laditan of Africa Utopia and Prisca Moyesa, social media marketing whizz who has launched a new podcast (42:27)

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Tokunbo Koiki – Tokunbo’s Kitchen (Website) and Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps


Episode 6: Conversations with Kay Montano, make up artist extraordinaire, creative director & founder of Thandie Kay



**Our new Janet’s List / Making Money Moves Facebook Group is here – to join, go to: http://bit.ly/JanetsListandMakingMoneyMovesFBGroup **

Making Money Moves is a brand new podcast brought to you by Janet’s List, hosted by Janet Oganah and Adonica Simmons. The aim of our podcast is to open up conversations about money, mindset and the moves people have made to build successful businesses.

If you are a female entrepreneur, a high impact woman or are simply looking for inspiration, this podcast is for you. We interview inspiring guests, mostly women of colour, who are building incredible businesses. Our guests will also share tips and strategies, which you can apply at any stage of your entrepreneurial journey.

We loved our conversation with Kay Montano, makeup artist extraordinaire, creative director and co-founder of inclusive beauty platform ThandieKay. She gave us the scoop on how her first ever copy of Vogue magazine captivated her teenage mind, how a chance meeting with an 80s band front woman led her to work with fashion’s finest, and how working with megastar musician Prince on a shoot directed by actress Salma Hayek tops her list of impactful projects with the super gifted (and not the famous-for-fame’s-sake, thank you very much).

Kay speaks about grounding yourself to recognise what matters in life, reveals how she’s worked freelance for her entire career, talks partnership between herself and actress Thandie Newton, close friend an co-conspirator in shaking up the beauty world with a more inclusive narrative, and makes an exclusive product announcement about upcoming goodies from the ThandieKay brand. And check out our minisode for a peek inside our makeup bags…

Here’s what you’ll learn this episode:

  • How Kay made bold career moves as a teenager (4:16)
  • Give and take – an alternative perspective on internships and getting the vital experience you need (7:47)
  • Cabs, champagne and clubs! (9:05)
  • The importance of creating an aspirational portfolio to boost your profile (9:52)
  • Working with agents who are truly excited about your work (10:34)
  • What Kay looks for in a makeup assistant (13:45)
  • Stay in your lane – the unwritten hierarchy of high end fashion shoots (16.16)
  • True legends – talent over fame, and working with Prince (18:27)
  • Repurposing your skillset – how to leverage market changes to your advantage (24.19)
  • ThandieKay – dissecting race and heritage, managing egos in business partnerships and writing the narrative of the indefinable woman (33.25)
  • Product alert from ThandieKay and an exclusive announcement (40.50)
  • Who Kay would love to hear next on the show (42.27)

If you would like to connect with us on social media, you can find us all here:

Kay Montano – ThandieKay (Website) and @KayMontano & @ThandieandKay on Instagram

Janet’s List – @JanetsList (Instagram) and @JanetsList (Twitter)

Janet Oganah: @Janet_Oganah (Twitter)

Adonica Simmons: Global Style Services (Instagram)

Special shout-out to Janet’s List members Flora and Curl for Kay’s goody-bag in this episode. To find out more about its founder Rose Ovensehi, her wonderful story and this sweet-smelling natural hair product line, visit our website.

The overall mission of Janet’s List is to connect consumers with women of colour in business. We want to close the gap between consumers and women of colour in business and to improve diversity in the business landscape. We also have a curated edit on Janet’s List where you can buy directly from fantastic brands by women of colour.

Podcast listeners! You can get a special discount of 10% off Janet’s List using the code: JANETSLIST10

Stay tuned and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and your favourite podcast apps